Thats a yes or no question, by the way. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. We know that salvation is translated from the Greek word; Sozo which includes healing. MANY are quietly doing exactly that: being used by God to grow His kingdom. We can know they are three distinct persons, as indicted in this conversation; Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Genesis 1:26. Let me know if you have any questions. Pastor Furtick dedicated his 2012 New York Times bestselling book, Greater: Dream Bigger. Healing belongs to us in Christ Jesus, and yet its up to us to receive it, take it, with your faith. But also, I think many teachers, Pastors, etc. The biblical perspective is that, without Gods help, we are hopelessly lost. Dont listen to what I say, or what Steven Furtick says. For God so loved the Brits that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. He was born July 01, 1952, to Wilfred Haskell and Jacquelyn Barton Furtick Anderson in Swansea, South Carolina. Id love for him to prove me wrong, to explain what he meant, and express clearly that his views match what we see in the Bible. We agree: everybody should be able to sieve what were told. Your James reference you switched up, 1:3 should be 3:1 . I have friends who were conceived because their mothers were raped. Spring, Texas, United States View. Please be specific. why would you call me irresponsible? Dont make this about you or me. Feel free to continue disagreeing, if you dont see what I see. 1.75m) tall and weighs 72kgs (158lbs). We cant create worlds out of nothing. Thats undeniably false. Ps Gabriel Hughes writes, He wished he had known about that before but, because his denomination only uses the KJV, he had no idea. Why would the gospel of John say And the Word was with God, and the Word was God ? The gospel is the power of God unto salvation, but then it is to every one that believes, Rom. Humility and teachableness, and the willingness to consider that there might be more than we now understand is fundamental to avoiding error. If Steven Furtick IS a false teacher, it would be irresponsible to ignore the evidence. He was able to. Modalists have that part right: there is only ONE God. So you dont believe that God is a molecular structure. Also, seeds sown among thorns often prove unfruitful. You, or the writers of Scripture? Steven Furtick is a well-known author of religious books such as Sun Stand Still, Crash the Chatterbox and Crash. We should say what the Bible says, and we should not say what the Bible does not say. I cited the part I agreed with. He draws us to Himself, or we could not be saved. I know this is off-topic from your post, but it struck me enough to lead me to comment. I hope that you will begin a serious study not of oneness theology, or of trinitarian theology, but of Scripture. Be like a Berean and test everything including what I say here with Scripture. And if you have so go into such length to disprove a blessed church you are the deceiver please reach out to me on this matter and lets pray on it ..In Jesus name I ask or be held accountable . Singular: just like in English, the number of subjects that the verb applies to. Most churches pay a subscription fee to a licensing service so they can put song lyrics on screens for people to follow along with. I used to love Steven Furtick but now I see he is up there with Joel Osteen and all the other greasy guys. Does that make sense? Im sorry to hear about your crisis of faith, truly. The laws, regulations, and guidelines we see in Scripture for both ancient Israel and for followers of Jesus are, historically speaking, universally understood to be a reflection of Gods character. Furtick along with virtually every other Word of Faith teacher says that God is dependent on us to do work here on earth, and in our own lives. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. He is also a songwriter and a best-selling national novelist, according to one of the country's main periodicals. Dont you see? If Steven Furtick IS a false teacher, then playing Elevation music in your church promotes a false teacher, funds his ministry, and adds to the problem rather than solving it. Instead of seeing Gods grace in this life and His mercy they didnt receive and STD or worse, the justify their sin going as far as to say It was obviously Gods will I have this baby, so I dont have to recognize my sin in its conception and anyone who tries to call me to account is going against Gods will.. Like you, Ive found that most critics online are just kind of griping about people they dont like, or repeating someone elses accusations. The very nature of the gospel is that Jesus died in our place, so Furticks error on this matter touches on the most important subjects in Scripture. The idea that if there is evidence of Gods blessing this is proof of his approval. First: what does this passage actually SAY? You rightly say; While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, but to then say; our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. Its also biblical. This is also true. Heres a quote from Furtick for your consideration: Do you agree with Steven Furtick on this matter? While this, by itself, is not necessary heretical, its silly. The question is whether Steven Furtick was RIGHT or WRONG when he claimed that Jesus wanted to do more (seems reasonable) but WAS THWARTED (utterly heretical). But, and if any one, the closest would be, God did not heal Paul because, in His wisdom, had a purpose for Pauls suffering that resulted in greater glory for Himself than healing Paul could have accomplished. 1:16. Im not sure why, at this point, youre still not acknowledging that this specific thing that Furtick taught is false. This is wrong, per Romans 14 and I would suggest that its often actually sin. Any way, right Calvin, unbelief caused Him not to display his power. God Himself saves us because we have met His terms of agreement. She didnt do anything wrong but there were consequences for the people she touched. In other words, once we understand the term God, even within the phrase there is ONLY one God, means a single entity comprised of three persons, the simplest aspect of the Trinity isnt so difficult. They demote God from the all-powerful, all-knowing being that He is into a victim of a clever demon that He created the Creator was tricked by His creation, failed to see the future, and was rendered impotent as a result. If there were a better choice, God would have made it instead. I heard a bible teacher say once, that we should let the scripture interpret scripture, as it does a better job. I plan to study it thoroughly with my husband. As it also says in Mark 6:5 Furtick is, quite simply, wrong: God can, and often does, override our unbelief. I dont mean that you might create a circumstance where God doesnt get what He wants that happens all the time. We might try to conclude how it worked, but we have ONLY the text to work with. God the Father, son and spirit is one and same person in three forms to carry out different functions for man. As the founder and pastor of Elevation Church home of the popular Christian music group Elevation Worship he has a great amount of influence and a worldwide audience. The alternative is heresy, as defined in the traditional, historic sense: limiting Gods power and ability to do what He wishes to do is a non-starter. Thanks. How many times have we heard a sermon like this from Furtick, or Joel Osteen, or Kenneth Copeland? Future tense: just like in English, points to an event that will, or might, happen in the future. Nevertheless, I think it is an attitude that should be addressed. As for helping your father, that can be tough. Moreover, Jesus healed people when there was no evidence of faith at all. Can He be contained in anything? I want you to know the Scriptures. God is spirit. Gabriel, in. You might then ask how to counsel someone whose children are being taught this error. This isnt a difficult concept. Youre right Steven Furtick doesnt seem like a womanizer or a manipulator. Its not. It might be helpful for you to read What is a False Teacher. With respect, youre wrong on both. All Rights Reserved. If God broke the Law, justice has not been done. Do you agree with him when he says that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all, and that thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? You and I arent in Gamaliels situation. I have nothing personal against him, and I dont know whether hes saved. My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working. You will RECEIVE salvation (passive voice). Of course, I can tell that YOU dont really like me. Thanks, so I will just try to answer a couple of things. You have to see yourself healed [in your heart] before you see yourself healed [in reality]. You said: I teach this very plainly: bad things are always bad, and never good.. The truth is that oneness doctrine cant explain why Jesus prayed to the Father, was sent by the Father, went back to the Father, and so on. If you need a hand working through these issues, Im here to help. In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. Im sure you are as well. THAT is the purpose of this article: to help people understand that Steven Furtick is not a trustworthy teacher of Scripture. 2 Timothy 1:7 If so, we should probably talk about that. Thats different. Pastor Steven Furtick announces father's death. How many people do you bring to GOD every week? This is also why Jesus said; According to your faith be it unto you. That would be the Father, Son, and Spirit who would be considered separate, not one. Bottom line, does he teach the gospel, does he glorify Jesus, does he teach repentance as a lifestyle, does he teach the importance of obedience, does it teach how important it is to get sin out of your life, if they teach you how to build a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ??? Why do you stare at us as if by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? What we never hear from false teachers is that this life is filled with tragedy, that people around us are suffering, that the world is going to hell in a handbasket, or that maybe God wants them to give everything to the poor and follow Him. Instead, Christ could not do many miracles because the circumstances under which the Lord readily shows Himself were not present.. It changes the nature of Jesus death. If the truth sets us free, then lies keep us bound. Hi there! The verse reads your held accountable not your better and not the same we are all the Same under Gods eyes you need to address this I challenge you to show your accusations of this man I want to see proof not your own understanding because you are incorrect what the verse says that you are standing on.. and Ill pray your convicted to see the right over the wrong . When false teachers do it, they compound their misquotations with false theology doubling down on irresponsibility with more irresponsibility. No, we dont throw out true things but we do throw out false teachers. That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. We are told it in scripture, and accept it on faith. To be more precise, the Word of God teaches that there is only one God, and The Word of God also teaches that God is spirit. So it cant apply to the whole Bible, or even to the whole New Testament. I am well too, thanks. His birth sign is Pisces. Im not happy to say this. The same goes for non-Christian teachings from Word of Faith folks and NAR folks. This seems to figure in the trapped in their perspective of he could not, as what is the difference between could and did if it does depend on our faith which comes by hearing the word? Jesus still has a body, by the way He didnt stop being human after the resurrection. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. Second: who does it apply to? He did not pursue what was gain to him and he left the benefits of his heritage and education behind in order to know the Lord and the power of His resurrection, to be made conformable to His death. Youre right when you say Im not more important than you are. https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/obstacle-unbelief. No, I do not see it, as Furtick said of Jesus; He wanted to. Because of the cares of the world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things. By itself, I see no problem but playing music in church isnt by itself. It comes with spiritual baggage that the Kingdom of God, quite simply, is fighting against. I dont have an aversion to faith folks. You and I have a responsibility to the gospel as it was once and for all handed down: Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to Gods holy people. While some people mistake him for an African-American or partly African-American, Steven . God has existed in relationship with Himself for all eternity. As this comes back to the baby and bath water analogy. In human terms though there are also single entities being comprised of multiple persons, and I think this gets us closer to a useful analogy. Having described the failure of the people in Nazareth to believe Jesus despite their knowledge of His wisdom and power, Mark explains that our Lord could do no mighty work there except to heal a few people (Mark 6:5). People shouldnt have to search the web to find out whether anyone claiming the name of Jesus is trustworthy but they do. God did not arbitrarily decide He now longer cared about cleanliness. God knows and he will prevail. He has three children with his wife Holly named Abbey, Elijah and Graham. I think its important, on several levels. As for telling Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach, you took that out of important context of which indicates the reason for the admonition, Drink no longer water, which was the source of his problem. Every word that came out of His mouth was the Father speaking. You might want to write more, but you dont have to read through the 10,000 word screeds that people used to post here. We would be saying what Scripture itself does not say, and we should avoid that. Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Even overseers are to be above reproach (1 Timothy 3), and Furtick is a teacher he is held to a higher standard by God, and we should recognize that fact. Saint Laurent mens SL10H lace up leather high Top Sneakers $575. As apologists it can be tough not to throw stones when we see raw contradictions to scriptures. Im not providing examples here, but a warning to watch out for it. He did not change forms and become spirit. Its not about Steven Furtick, but about the fact that he teaches unbiblical ideas in the name of Jesus Christ. You say, it is not a logical and biblical explanation that He chooses to act under certain circumstances, and to not act in others, as God is not the author of confusion. With respect, you really havent thought this through. This is serious business. See also: a list of Bible Teachers I Can Recommend, i now understand why you see him as a false teacher. I guess thats why people thought of the three states of water, clover leaf, etc. The Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world. So few know the gospel that many are deceived. Elevation Church was founded by Furtick in 2006 with just fourteen members. If they are saved, we should pray that God will lead them to teach only the truth. Galatians 3:13 says, Christ has (past tense) redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. The curse includes every sickness and every disease (Deuteronomy 28:15-68). They dont use sober judgment. Here is what I found: After studying these things for literally several decades, Im still working to properly explain how one can tell the difference between those who are wrong and those who are false. Healing comes not from the outside in, it comes from the inside out. I could list other verses that show the Holy Spirit is also distinct from the Father and Son, of course. The commenting system only goes so deep, then you cant add another level of replies. Though it is clear here in the Lords vexed, provoked, pained, distressed cry, Matthew 23:37, saying; O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!, as here it is no doubt speaking these children limited Gods gathering ability. In other words, Furtick didnt reiterate Matthew 13:58. It's not so much guilt by association, it's guilt by subjugation. He seems to believe what hes saying. Here are a few other special cases that people try to plead: Its clear that you feel comfortable suggesting that the apostle Paul knew less about following Jesus than you do. What gives you the right to say who is or is not of God? Thousands have responded to the news of the elder Furtick's passing by writing to the pastor via social media simple messages like "love and prayers," as did LifeChurch.tv Pastor Craig Groeschel. Thank you for your encouraging words, Josh. Needs a dose of 1 Peter 5:5, as we all must! >> So no, modalism is not a false doctrine. Just what is the criteria in establishing if someone is a false teacher. Hes clearly a gifted communicator, and based on the growth of his congregations likely a gifted leader as well. You agree that Christians do not have power over God. YES or NO. I actually tell how life really is and tell my own fears and struggles that people can actually relate to. On the question of Revelation 22:18-19 I would ask you to consider a few questions. If eternal life matters (and it does), then teaching and preaching the truth about God matters. Dont trust Steven Furtick. For example, in that same passage, a narcigete would put themselves in Jesus place. May it never be! Where in the Bible does it say that no one but God has the right to judge anyone? Zachariah didnt believe he could have a son at his advanced age it wasnt his faith that allowed God to give him John the Baptist. Your email address will not be published. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service at 11:30AM with Steven Furtick, Live Stream March-05-2023. Its not our words that save us. Ask any question about God, the Bible, or Christianity. Unfortunately, his understanding of Psalm 78:41 is off-base. When Paul chastised the foolish churches in Galatia, he did so because they had turned to another gospel. Each of those analogies falls apart at some point, and fails to adequately explain what God is like. That says more than anything you or I can say. Learn a little Greek. Steven is a native of Moncks Corner, South Carolina, USA, and holds US citizenship. When Jesus spoke, it was not the Father speaking through Him. He did not disappear. Yes, I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately, many false teachers have perfectly orthodox statements of faith. In 1 Timothy 5, Paul said to rebuke false teachers publicly, so that the rest may stand in fear. He specifically called out false teachers by name, too: Demas, Phygelus, Hermongenes, Hymenaeus, Alexander, and Philetus. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. This is how it works, as right, it is this same power that we all have today (Hebrews 13:8) to obey the command of Mark 16:15-20. This passage carries with it two specific kinds of punishments: plagues for those who add to it, and eternal condemnation for those who take away from it. My question is about Elevation music do you think we ought to sing their songs at home or in church? Yes, its complex. He shared this scripture in relation to Ephesians 3:20 that God is able to do exceeding abundantly but it is according to the power that works in us,.. Any way here it is explained; [Edit: link removed]. Id probably really like him. If you have faith, they claim, your faith gives you the power to do amazing things. It is false to teach that God is a multiple personality being. In the end, you should be praying for your father and listening to the Holy Spirit. 4044). What youve written is typical oneness doctrine. Theres a gigantic difference between Jesus not doing many miracles because of their unbelief and Jesus being unable to exercise Gods power because He was entirely powerless to do so. Nickname: Stevens Furtick Gender: Male Date of birth: 19th February 1980 Birth sign: Pisces Place of birth: Moncks Corner, South Carolina, U.S. Age: 41 years old (as of 2021) Nationality: American Ethnicity: White Eye colour: Black Hair colour: Black Weight: 72 kg Height: 5 feet 9 inches Sexual orientation: Straight Religion: Christianity Is it good or bad to point to unbiblical teaching? The simple truth is that I dont want you to trust me, Ryan. Right? Thank you and God bless you. Heres the order from Scripture: God, in, I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. You have to get the understanding from God. Both, in this case, misuse Scripture and claim that it says something that it does not say. This is saying, if I may be so bold, that because of their thoughts towards Jesus, they did not believe in him! Primary issues with Steven Furtick: Twists and mishandles Scripture, considers T.D. So no, a christian has not power over God, but rather through Gods power we can do exploits, as in Daniel 11:32 the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. Oh, you say thats for the old testament saints? God is a molecular structure that fills all in all. Appreciate that look up. God is perfect and I dont know about you, but Im definitely not perfect. All of the New Testament? Stephen Furtick is of white ethnicity and has American nationality. Second, its the kind of claim that cant be tested, so its safe from those who would question it. This is further spoken of in Galatians 3:5, He therefore that ministers to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith As This power that works in us is the Spirit, which must be activated by faith! Unfortunately, thats not the case with everyone. Thanks. These are only a few of the many, many passages that show that the Father and Son are not the same person. They had, apparently, disputed the indisputable. Thank you for this clarity and God bless. THAT is where people who follow Jesus should get their information, and THAT is where all theology should begin. As founder and lead pastor, he has helped grow the multi-site Elevation Church into a global ministry through online streaming, television, and the music of Elevation Worship. Steven Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, and popular radio host Charlamagne Tha God, whose real name is Lenard McKelvey, returned to their roots in South Carolina for a very important video discussion on race and religion. Your comment is interesting. I see that you dont write to condemn him, but to objectively note his errors.